Memes on Confederate Flag, Racism, Democrats

June 24, 2015

"We need to go ahead and do the right thing, respectfully take the flag down, move it to a more appropriate place . . . ."  I KNOW JUST THE PLACE

Governor when South Carolina first raised the Confederate battle flag on the state capitol in 1962: DEMOCRAT Ernest "Fritz" Hollings Governor who fought to take it down starting in 1996: REPUBLICAN David Beasley Governor who opposed taking it down until after he unseated Beasley in 1998: DEMOCRAT Jim Hodges Governor who called for removing it from state capitol grounds entirely in 2015: REPUBLICAN Nikki Haley

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6 Responses to “Memes on Confederate Flag, Racism, Democrats”

  1. Will S. Says:

    The fight against the Confederate flag has mostly been waged by the progressives; it is part and parcel of their fight against any kind of traditional symbols and practices (e.g. their campaign against Christmas, in terms of greeting people ‘Merry Christmas!’, in terms of expunging any explicit references to Christianity from seasonal decorations, etc. in public schools, etc. Or the campaign against Columbus Day, on the grounds that celebrating that means celebrating genocide of native peoples, etc.) I’m sure, like me, you oppose the left in such matters.

    So why give in on this one?

    Why give in to progressives? That’s surrender. And spineless political cowardice.

    Will anything be gained by giving in? Will Republicans suddenly gain a whole set of new minority voters? Of course not!

    So, it’s a pointless surrender to the left.

    Therefore, why bother? Why let the left dictate what is considered ‘the right thing to do’?

    • I agree, I’m for Christmas, for Columbus Day, etc. I’m also against slavery, against segregation, etc.
      There’s no inconsistency between those positions; they’re all perfectly mainstream American conservative views.

      I am not bound to oppose everything the left is for just because the left is for it. When there is room for common ground, such as with the current Democratic president in favor of free trade, or with feminists against pornography, why not unite in a good cause?

      I don’t think we have to think of every issue in terms of marginal political advantage, either. I’m against slavery and segregation on principle, regardless of whether that will win some politician more votes from some demographic group.

      I say all this with the caveat that we may be conflating a couple of issues here. I still have some distaste for the mobbish rush to pressure Walmart et al. to stop carrying the flag, etc. I certainly would not want the government to try to make it illegal to buy the flag or anything like that. But to the extent that we’re talking about culture, without coercion, why should I not be against racism? Why should I not favor removing a Rebel flag from among the official symbols of our governments? (We did win the war, after all.)

      My response continues on another post…

      • Will S. Says:

        As a brown-skinned mixed-race individual whose maternal ancestors include indentured labourers, I certainly have no sympathy for white supremacism or slavery / indentured servitude.

        And I also am not inclined to do something or not do something just for political expediency; I’m someone who doesn’t always vote, even.

        But just for once, I’d like the right to resist the left when the left exerts cultural pressure.

        (It’s certainly not happening with gay marriage; look at how quickly Indiana backpedalled, on the bill to allow Christians the right to refuse business of those with whom they don’t want to do business.)

        Indeed, I doubt Gov. Haley would gain anything, and might even lose some support, if she took an unpopular stand.

        But if it’s the right thing to do, to not give in to a mob demand, then it’s the right thing to do.

      • “But just for once, I’d like the right to resist the left when the left exerts cultural pressure.

        “(It’s certainly not happening with gay marriage; look at how quickly Indiana backpedalled, on the bill to allow Christians the right to refuse business of those with whom they don’t want to do business.)”

        Then I’ll end by trying to offer a note of encouragement, on an issue on which we do agree! David French argues that (in America, at least—I would be curious to hear any impressions you have of how things are going in Canada) our side is doing much better than is popularly supposed—not that we’re easily winning the culture war, by any means, but that the other side isn’t, either.

        “Third, the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on ‘culture war’ issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media, the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.

        “Consider the following:
        . . . ”

  2. Will S. Says:

    Indeed, French makes some good points. I was heartened by the grassroots response to the Chick-fil-A; it showed that indeed, Christians are not being cowed. That is encouraging, indeed.

    Cheers, brother. :)

    • Will S. Says:

      As for how things are in Canada, our laws are further down the progressive line, yet we do still have many social conservatives, but they have much less political clout.

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